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explode the bazaar or e-ticket ride into

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the world of the paranoid strap yourself

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in as we traverse the universe exploring

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the unexplained UFO s ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports beautiful night we're all

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kind of night but nothing could possibly

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go wrong I don't know I wonder if that

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orange orb that's been following us

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would agree with you holy crap are we

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about to be abducted again I'm getting

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tired of all these probes this I don't

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know it's so small just teeny-tiny I

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think I think maybe it's a drone

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maybe it's remotely operated or run by

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artificial intelligence and I'm glad to

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hear it's a small probe for once I'm not

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sure

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I sense a consciousness about it we

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better get back to the studio get out of

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here I mean geez you know you've got to

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watch out for these these orbs you don't

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know whether they're they're friendly or

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hostile or what it is that they have in

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mind well I hope we don't experience

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missing time because we have our show to

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do right now I bet our guest tonight

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would have some good advice for us about

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the weird light following those Reagan

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Lee she's a an expert on on orange

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probes and orbs so let's get back to the

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studio before this damn thing and nails

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us hurry up we're always running I'll

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make a sauce stick we made him

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oh why I tell you that but that was a

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close that was a close call but we're

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back now on

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safe solid ground but I'm sure that

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we're soon to be going back into orbit

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where's the rimshot would you need all

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right well it's great to be a packet que

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cor Tim well you were out of town you

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were a long way away

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somebody said where was Tim Schwartz

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last week I said minding his own

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business for a change

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where were you you were you were you

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were gone you were gone far away I mean

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you would completely want you you

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weren't in town completely out of the

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country Tim here you went too cute

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I hear you went to Cuba no no no no

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don't know Don Cuba we went to Grand

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Cayman which is south of Cuba like

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against well see ya west of Jamaica

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south of Cuba and you had fun that take

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it oh it was so nice it's just the

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weather was just so beautiful the entire

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time we were there and as soon as as

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soon as we got back home it's been

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raining every day since so I'm ready I'm

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ready to go back well do it we'll start

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doing our show from Grand Cayman Tim

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well boy oh boy

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and where do I have to sit I got to sit

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here in Manhattan with all this

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skyscrapers going up and bustling in the

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streets and noise and and and I got a

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headache from the dust but what the hell

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we got an exciting guest on tonight

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anyway we're gonna we're going to to

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probe these orange orbs and find out

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what the heck is is going on here

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because you know I've seen them floating

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across my my room and and I know that

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they're they're popping up all over the

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place our friend there in Sedona

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Tom dango has a whole album photo album

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full of photographs of orbs that have

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appeared over the Bradshaw ranch I mean

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it's just it and people are taking

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videos of these things and and and there

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inside houses and outside houses and a

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treetop level and and below so let's get

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on with the show Tim tonight we have

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Reagan lead now Reagan has been writing

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and reporting on UFOs and paranormal

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topics for a number of years and she's

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written and self-published a book on the

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Oregon Bigfoot legend and it's consulted

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with the media and other researchers on

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ghost hauntings UFOs all the things that

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we love to talk about on exploring the

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bizarre now her educational background

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includes degrees and experiences and

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language arts ethnic and forclosed

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studies and early education as a

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graduate student she worked in the

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folklore archives and KOAT taught a

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woman a women in folklore course a

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Reagan's passion lies in art and the

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paranormal including UFOs her philosophy

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at this stage in her journey with

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regards to UFOs combines both theories

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of Zacarias ditchin and you know other

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ancient astronaut schools as well as the

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existence of another reality like the

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goblin universe where beans are often

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mistaken for UFOs and maybe even ghosts

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now Reagan has also contributed to such

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books as let's see up Rainbow Hill alien

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strongholds on earth we know that yeah

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and another one called a Bigfoot from

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outer space love that name and UFO Mary

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so let's let's bring in Reagan Lee on

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exploring the bizarre after a good

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evening good evening Reagan how are you

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out there in Oregon you're in Oregon

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right yes I'm in Oregon Western over

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again and how are you Tim and Tim well

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we're hanging we're hanging you know or

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orbs fascinate me everybody seems to be

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of seeing them and a lot of people seem

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to be photographing them or claim that

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they're photographing them but a lot of

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them I'm not so sure whether there

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orbs or whether they're they're dust on

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the lens or even raindrops now what was

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your first experience with Lenore but I

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understand that it had something to do

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with with an abduction and missing time

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it wasn't just the sighting of of some

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little device that floated by it was

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much more evidential and much more

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strange and unusual than that correct

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correct and that's what I find both

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fascinating and frustrating because at

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the time I saw the orb which was 35

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years ago maybe it was very large you

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know that was I want to make the

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distinction between like spirit kind of

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orbs which are smaller and they're a

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little more what's worth a month

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ephemeral maybe and this was like a some

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kind of craft or machine or something it

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was it was not just some little light in

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the sky it was a thing and it was very

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large and I saw at the time I had never

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heard of a UFO looking like that and I

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went and I tried to do all the research

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I could at the time what was available

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and of course this was before the

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internet and everything and I couldn't

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find anything about what I saw and then

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years later reports of primarily orange

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but now they're all different colors

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orbs was showing up but even now when I

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look at videos that people taken aboard

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they're much smaller they're much

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further out and up in the sky than what

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I saw so I don't know if there's of the

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same thing or not or something different

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if they're related

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I don't know what the connection is but

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so I find it fascinating that now there

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have been books written about orange or

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it's and people are seeing them

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everywhere videotaping them but

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at the time and I saw mine i canna find

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anything and can you give us a it wasn't

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a solid object or a flat object it it

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seemed to have a dimension to it it

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seemed it was what it seemed like a like

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a big basketball size or beach ball more

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like a beach ball you know it's pretty

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big and very very close and in fact at

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one point it was right across the street

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the road rather from us and it seemed it

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seemed it was hard to tell it it seemed

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like a sphere that was lit from within

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you know you could see to them did it

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make it it didn't make any sound or give

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off anything odd that I can hear but I

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was on the motorcycle at the time so if

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it did make a sound I I did not hear it

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and it did it stay in one position or

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did it move around it yeah it moved

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around I had caught sight of it kind of

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the corner of my eye and it was

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stationary in the sky when I first

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thought and hello hello how low down was

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this now it wasn't oh it's hard to say

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it was at first it was up above a hill

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about a mile up the road there was a

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little hill and so that's where it

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seemed to be and it's pretty large and

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as soon as I may know that in my mind

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you know I saw it and I thought what the

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heck is that it like zoomed out like

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towards me like it came right at me

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and then followed us as we traveled

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along the road and then as we turned the

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corner to our house it stopped at the

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house across like caddy corner from ours

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stop for just a second in the drop down

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into the backyard of this house

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whoo it's pretty spooky I mean where

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were you frightened by this you know no

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I was intrigued highly intrigued but the

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fear did come in later now had you begun

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your descent and into ufology at that

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point not too much although I was

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interested as it's always been

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interested ever since I was a kid in

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this kind of stuff and I didn't know a

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lot but anytime the subject would come

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up I was wanting to know and when I was

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15 I read then got Donegan's you know

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charity of the God neighborhood I mean I

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read that thing in like two minutes

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you know it's like oh my god I don't

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believe this so but I didn't actively

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seek it out although I was always open

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to it and I had lots of experiences as a

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kid and but you know my mother saw UFO

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when I was about uh no 10 and she called

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us all out to see it but nobody would

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even come out and I cannot she's on the

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best she's on the west and I came out

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though and it was gone and she was so

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disappointed that it she said I was

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there I swear to you it was there and I

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said to her she told me this is why I

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said I don't remember saying this she

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said do you remember what what you said

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to me and I said no she said don't worry

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mom they'll come back they always come

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back

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and you were right yeah so the orange

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orb I wasn't afraid I was I was very

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hyper

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I was extremely my adrenaline was going

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I was super hyper and I remember running

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to the phone like who do I call I gotta

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call the police so the airport or

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something oh yeah

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you know what and I say whom I got

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caught this late at night it wasn't

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super late but you know and then I went

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to the front door to go outside because

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I saw it dropped down in the person's

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backyard and I thought well maybe I'll

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go out look for it and I actually put my

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hand on the door and then I thought no

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I'm not going out there and I did it I

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did not leave the house you know how did

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you have yeah yeah no no I was just

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going to say did you have missing time

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involved with this yes we found out

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later we were coming back from a town

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not very far away for Cottage Grove you

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know it would at most to take us on a

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motorcycle especially the way my husband

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drove you could take us yeah not more

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than half an hour probably half an hour

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to get back and it was like three hours

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we don't know what happened we don't

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know what happened Larry that's fine and

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you had you had no bruises on your body

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or no Kelly in the scratch marks or

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anything but that's when the dream

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started these horrible paralyzing awful

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dreams of being outside on my porch and

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be paralyzed in a beam of light and just

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furious is scared all at once because my

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husband I knew my husband was there too

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but they whoever they are or were had

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taken him and we're keeping us separated

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and all I I was just aware of a large

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round craft I don't know seeing above me

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but that's all I know that's all I can

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remember I never saw an entity of any

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kind or have any memories other than

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that but the dreams went office was so

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horrible and attend

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that I ended up seeing a therapist who

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of course thought I was just silly but

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well silly better than crazy yeah maybe

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she's being polite I don't know I

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remember feeling very humiliated after

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seeing her well obviously you think that

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these objects these orbs are intelligent

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even though you didn't see any sort of

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altered terrestrial with it apparently

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these things I I mean we talked we just

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mentioned that briefly about the bread

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Shawn ranch they're in Sedona

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where they started out with mysterious

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lights on living de Bradshaw's and

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properly a property and then they

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started being seen and photographed all

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over town like I say Tom dango showed me

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a whole scrapbook of these some of her

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and you know single orbs a lot of them

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are orange but some of them aren't and

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it got to the point where it developed

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work strange beings I hate to call them

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creatures that's not very politically

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correct but beings unknown to us here on

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earth were being seen one of them even

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that walked across the main street of

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town I understand and then he's got this

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a blue man that showed up on one of the

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the photographs and all sorts of weird

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things going on there in the in the a

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Canyon my friend Charlotte and I have

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gone out there on several occasions to

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visit with Tom and has some weird and

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experiences ourselves and then of course

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Ted Phillips talks about these objects

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what town is that the attempt do you

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remember where the objects appear that

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yeah I know what George you're talking

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about but Marley Marley little Morley

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woods well that's a niche in Missouri

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I'm not sure yeah I'm not sure what town

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is close to yeah but they started out as

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small orbs on the outside and then they

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grew in size and then suddenly that

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were appearing inside people's homes but

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you've never seen one

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have you had additional sightings of an

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orb beside that original one and have

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they ever come into your house you know

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I had a weird experience once I don't

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even know what to think of it and I

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never put it together before with orbs

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but I woke up turned just we were in bed

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it was morning I woke up and my husband

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was sitting up in bed with his back to

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me and I saw a white orb floating around

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all up and down this back and he was

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just sitting there he wasn't saying

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anything he was and I'm thinking white

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you know and they even called him he

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didn't really respond and then this orb

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went all over the room but a very it

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wasn't like someone was shining your

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light or anything this was its own thing

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and I thought this is really weird and I

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even you know I finally touched and I

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said Jim Jim what anywhere huh and then

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I went back to sleep and then I woke up

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again and I turn and I see him sitting

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on the side of the bed and their orbits

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just like a repeat like Groundhog Day it

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was very weird it freaked me out and he

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has no memory of this he doesn't know

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what I'm talking about so I don't know

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what that was about that was after the

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orange or exciting in fact we living in

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a different place so I don't know if

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there's any connection with that or what

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but you know the the late Paul bennewitz

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reported very similar situations where

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at the really the height of all the

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activity that was going on around him

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and and other people outside of his

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family saw this as well they would see

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these I think they were described as

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like white orbs floating around his

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house and he thought that they were some

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kind of like you know government spy

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devices or something but I guess his his

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wife accidentally brushed up against one

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one time and it gave her an electric

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shock yeah yeah I you know a lot of

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activity I mean a lot of activity was

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happening after I saw the orange orb

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like that white orb experience a weird

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inst experience I had why meditating and

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I've talked about this before where I

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saw I guess you could call grace they

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were trying to come in to my room but

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because I was meditating and I was using

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crystals and things that was keeping

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them out and they were pissed off they

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did not like that but they couldn't get

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past this little like light barrier I

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had I know I was having a lot of I know

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psychic or precognitive episodes where I

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would just see something happen and a

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little bit later it would happen and I

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can't help but think there's a

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connection there with that those things

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have really ceased and they're not sure

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why and I've even written about this

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online I wonder it's age has something

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to do with it and if being female has

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something to do with it and being up you

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know postmenopausal has something to do

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with it I don't know but there might be

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something there about that well I know

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it seems that though you have people

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that are taking the photographs and

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having these experience a gender rise it

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seems to be split 50-50 although I don't

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know is if anybody has done a survey

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this but anyway when we come back from

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our commercial break here I want to have

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Tim ask you about Dana Howard who you

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have written about and the strange

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things that go on in the desert you've

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chapters in our books related to her and

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and some of these mysterious events in

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the in the desert and it also I think to

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some degree the apparition of that Diane

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from Venus Diana from Venus

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seems like you leave a part of the

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Marian phenomena which you are also

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investigated have investigated and and

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so I think that that's an avenue that we

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will want to explore on exploring the

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bizarre so stay tuned for more

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

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Lee panting Swift's welcome back to

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exploring the bazaar tonight our guest

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is Regan Lee and Regan there was

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something that you said in the first

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part of this program that I found

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interesting we were talking about orbs

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you know orange orbs white orbs whatever

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and you had said that there was a time

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when you'd be meditating and you could

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actually see these Gray's trying to

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approach you but they were unable and it

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makes me wonder whether or not these

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things whatever you know whatever they

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are extraterrestrials altered

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terrestrials interdimensional beans

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whatever

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if these orbs these balls of energy may

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not be their true form and that you know

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at times they they present to us a form

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like the like the gray aliens or the the

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toll of Aryan types as a way for us is

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to have you know something to perceive

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so to speak but they're their actual

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their true form is a ball of energy

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mm-hmm it's funny you mention that

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because I've been thinking about this

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lately and some people suggest these

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orbs are plasma now skeptic would say

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well that's all it is plasma kaesong but

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some people some Reacher's researchers

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have gone with that said you know just

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because it may be a type of plasma

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doesn't negate the fact it could be

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intelligent and there's a lot more to it

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than we think so

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I'm pursuing

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that idea and I think there might be

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something to that you know this orb I

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saw very well could have been plasma

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although it seemed to move with such

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intent and focus not just like radically

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moving around you know randomly moving

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around rather so you know it could be a

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combination of these things a little bit

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of this a little bit about

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interdimensional all these things at the

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same time and I think sometimes we have

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a hard time putting our heads around

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that you know they felt like what do you

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mean it's it's much easier to just say

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it's this one thing now we can move on

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yeah I saw they were really there but on

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a different level you know someone had

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walked in the room they wouldn't have

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seen anything except me sitting there

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but you know they I don't think they

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would have seen anything but they were

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there nonetheless their energy was there

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they were presenting themselves to me on

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a you know the astral plane or whatever

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you wanna call it some other level I

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just I I remember somebody who studied

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almost a entirely in their career ghosts

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and hauntings and you know the spiritual

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beings and that sort of thing and they

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had actually had been in communication

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with a lady who was haunting her house

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an older lady and I guess that through

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this mental communication he had asked

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her at one point if she because anytime

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anybody would see her when she was

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haunting she looked like she did you

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know shortly before sometimes shortly

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before she died no times when she was

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kind of more in the prime of her life

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you know like in her late 20s early 30s

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that sort of thing and I guess this this

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spirit had told him that her actual form

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was more along the lines of a ball of

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energy or a ball of light so I just

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always found that fascinating and and

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you know especially when people such as

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yourself have these experiences you know

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with these orbs and again you know we we

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should stress as you know these are

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different than these little dots that

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people take pictures of a lot of times

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which are probably just digital

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artifacts you know these are these are

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things that can be arranged from size of

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say like a ping-pong ball to like you

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said you know like the size of a

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basketball

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sometimes even larger one time I was

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investigating a haunted house and there

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was a ton of activity in this house and

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I took a loss of the grass nothing ever

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appeared but about the head of one of

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the residents of the house there was a

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white you know a small white orb

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translucent and I found it interesting

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that that's the only time an Orbis

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appeared in one of my pictures now it

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very well could have been dust on the

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lens sure but I also think of the

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context of that photograph this

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particular person had was one of the

541
00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:31,610
residents that had a lot of interaction

542
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:33,740
with the paranormal activity going on

543
00:29:40,629 --> 00:29:37,279
there and I just found the interesting

544
00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:40,639
New York showed up at that time and that

545
00:29:50,529 --> 00:29:45,740
place it's impossible to say if it was

546
00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:50,539
truly a spirit orb or just you know dust

547
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:54,230
who knows mm-hmm it's a photograph I

548
00:30:03,210 --> 00:29:56,529
look at every now and then go mm-hmm

549
00:30:06,570 --> 00:30:03,220
things that make you go all right now uh

550
00:30:13,299 --> 00:30:06,580
mr. Berkley definitely wanted us to

551
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:13,309
bring up the your interest in deserts

552
00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:15,730
and the

553
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:21,990
the Hollow Earth and Dana Howard and so

554
00:30:33,630 --> 00:30:27,370
perhaps some of our listeners may not be

555
00:30:36,390 --> 00:30:33,640
aware of who Dana Howard was and perhaps

556
00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:36,400
you could give us a brief explanation on

557
00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:39,550
who we're talking about yeah Dana Howard

558
00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:43,780
was a woman and and she wrote a few

559
00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:48,040
books up to Rainbow Hill and I forget

560
00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:50,440
the titles for the others and she you

561
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:51,670
know actually one of her first

562
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:55,120
experience was over the threshold was

563
00:31:02,480 --> 00:30:57,610
one right over right thank you and you

564
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:02,490
very kindly sent me a copy yes well yes

565
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:06,790
when she's very young I think I think

566
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:08,890
she was in her teens she might Bend

567
00:31:13,710 --> 00:31:10,720
younger I think she's even younger and

568
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:13,720
this is back it must have been in the

569
00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:19,720
19th or maybe 30s where she was in the

570
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:22,060
woods and she saw an apparition come to

571
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:25,450
her very much like a Marian apparition

572
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:27,460
except she doesn't described it that way

573
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:32,650
at all and the apparition or entity

574
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:34,990
whatever you want to call it I spoke to

575
00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:39,120
her and said she'll return and the later

576
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:43,950
Dana had other encounters and sightings

577
00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:47,110
of this apparition that that said she

578
00:31:58,020 --> 00:31:52,870
was Diane from Venus and she was

579
00:32:00,920 --> 00:31:58,030
actually in a church once and other and

580
00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:00,930
this entity appeared and other people

581
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:05,740
thought as well and as a light like a

582
00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:10,980
just like an apparition like a light

583
00:32:19,050 --> 00:32:15,160
Dana saw more of a like a human figure

584
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:19,060
but others did say that they saw an

585
00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:22,390
apparition appear and though the church

586
00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:26,560
the church still insist yeah yeah the

587
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:27,100
Internet

588
00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:30,090
it's a small small little space

589
00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:33,430
yeah yeah it's a it's a really really

590
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:35,860
small Church it's got to be like what

591
00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:40,980
are the smallest churches yeah yeah yeah

592
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:43,990
so she had these because she went up to

593
00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:47,710
the desert she found a lot of peace in

594
00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:51,430
the desert a lot of she she did not feel

595
00:32:58,260 --> 00:32:54,550
lonely there at all she she felt very

596
00:33:03,810 --> 00:32:58,270
much at peace and she had telepathic

597
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:03,820
communications with this being or spirit

598
00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:08,290
whenever you are call it and she became

599
00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:10,300
like for lack of better term a UFO

600
00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:12,910
contactee there are a lot of female

601
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:16,990
contact these in the 50s but we the

602
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:18,970
we're beginning we know we hear about

603
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:22,810
them more and more but and so a very

604
00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:27,010
interesting woman I thought and she just

605
00:33:34,170 --> 00:33:30,550
continued to have these experiences with

606
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:34,180
this entity Diane from she said she's

607
00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:36,190
Diana from Venus I find it interesting

608
00:33:43,890 --> 00:33:41,500
that like a lot of the contactees being

609
00:33:46,020 --> 00:33:43,900
said she was from Venus LA them said

610
00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:46,030
they were from Venus some said they were

611
00:33:51,630 --> 00:33:47,260
from Jupiter

612
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:51,640
you know Mars but mostly Venus which is

613
00:33:58,650 --> 00:33:54,490
the planet symbolizing love you know and

614
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,660
and with the female so I wonder if that

615
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:01,120
has something to do with that but and

616
00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:03,850
her for every story into something yeah

617
00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:06,760
mm-hmm yeah and her stories were among

618
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:09,730
the most poetic I think they're written

619
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:13,600
among the the contact right contact

620
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:16,090
these you know we're in touch with her

621
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:18,850
her niece and according to her yeah yeah

622
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:22,000
her niece said that you know people are

623
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:24,190
thinking for her well she's the only one

624
00:34:29,730 --> 00:34:27,760
in the the family who liked her her

625
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:29,740
auntie that well didn't think that she

626
00:34:35,340 --> 00:34:32,110
was a little uh you know Wacom dinging

627
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:35,350
ahoy is Long John used to I used to say

628
00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:38,470
there but but apparently she had a lot

629
00:34:43,169 --> 00:34:41,950
of contacts in Hollywood is well she was

630
00:34:46,290 --> 00:34:43,179
trying to get a you know

631
00:34:49,290 --> 00:34:46,300
her experiences made into a movie and

632
00:34:51,299 --> 00:34:49,300
all but it didn't quite work out I

633
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,309
suppose we could make it into an action

634
00:34:55,169 --> 00:34:53,440
hero as a superhero these days or

635
00:34:56,909 --> 00:34:55,179
something I don't know this what

636
00:34:59,640 --> 00:34:56,919
everybody seems to want to watch I'm not

637
00:35:01,859 --> 00:34:59,650
exactly sure why but you know we could

638
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:01,869
add her to the list of The Avengers or

639
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:04,180
something well what what is it though

640
00:35:14,099 --> 00:35:09,280
about desert sand and I suppose wild

641
00:35:17,339 --> 00:35:14,109
places that that seem to attract these

642
00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:17,349
kinds of experiences or maybe they tend

643
00:35:23,569 --> 00:35:21,220
to attract the type of people who would

644
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:23,579
be prone to having these experiences

645
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:26,290
right I think it's both you know that

646
00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:30,540
the connection is made the bond is there

647
00:35:41,220 --> 00:35:37,540
you know deserts are open they're not

648
00:35:43,230 --> 00:35:41,230
many people want to go so you there

649
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:43,240
places where you could find a lot of

650
00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:47,520
solitude and peace no doubt the the

651
00:35:55,770 --> 00:35:50,980
geology of the place I'm sure has a lot

652
00:35:58,319 --> 00:35:55,780
to do with attracting these things maybe

653
00:36:02,910 --> 00:35:58,329
they're attracted to geologic elements

654
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:02,920
in the desert and also it's even though

655
00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:06,010
it's out in the open it's very easy to

656
00:36:11,609 --> 00:36:08,950
not be seen because how many people are

657
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,619
out there mm-hmm so far we know all

658
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:13,359
kinds of stuff could be going out there

659
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,690
going on out there but we're not out

660
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:19,119
there you know what you don't know

661
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:22,720
George George Van Tassel's George Van

662
00:36:28,829 --> 00:36:25,690
Tassel's that nephew took me to the the

663
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:28,839
spot near a giant rock where he had his

664
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:33,430
first UFO and encounter with Sol ganda I

665
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:36,910
believe it was and my god if that the

666
00:36:43,819 --> 00:36:39,849
rock where this ship came down is in

667
00:36:46,289 --> 00:36:43,829
Crystal it's all it's all it's all

668
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,299
crystallized and of course down around

669
00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:49,359
in alien strongholds we have a whole

670
00:36:55,049 --> 00:36:51,780
chapter in which you contributed to on

671
00:36:56,970 --> 00:36:55,059
UFOs in the desert people are having

672
00:36:59,849 --> 00:36:56,980
experiences and side

673
00:37:03,510 --> 00:36:59,859
down around Joshua Tree they have for

674
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:03,520
decades not only in the desert but also

675
00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:05,350
in the you know in the mountains of Peru

676
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:08,350
and Mount Shasta and and all but tell us

677
00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:10,210
a little bit about you're interested in

678
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:12,940
the the Marian phenomena and what that

679
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:14,770
includes I mean we think about of course

680
00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:18,190
the visions at Fatima that the three

681
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:20,740
Shepherd children had back in the

682
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:24,400
nineteen and 1916 1917 but it's a lot

683
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,530
more involved in that why don't you give

684
00:37:30,780 --> 00:37:29,680
us a little rundown on the Mary and the

685
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:30,790
UFOs at all

686
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:34,720
well I'm fascinated by that because in a

687
00:37:44,820 --> 00:37:41,710
lot of these apparitions of Mary she the

688
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:44,830
like with Fatima the children never said

689
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,220
she was Mary they just said she was the

690
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:50,320
flow yeah I'm not sure exactly what they

691
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:53,530
called that the floating lady or just a

692
00:38:04,410 --> 00:37:59,520
lady that appeared but because of the

693
00:38:06,030 --> 00:38:04,420
religious culture and you know the the

694
00:38:09,210 --> 00:38:06,040
way they grew up in everything everyone

695
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:09,220
assumed it was Mary and one thing led to

696
00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:10,810
over there and they were they were it

697
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:12,460
was a Catholic country that's not

698
00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:17,050
exactly right yeah yeah exactly so I

699
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:21,600
wonder if these apparitions appear and

700
00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:23,710
they that's just how they present

701
00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:27,670
themselves because of the religious

702
00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:32,590
culture you know of the area but there's

703
00:38:42,510 --> 00:38:35,020
a lot of you know they appear as light

704
00:38:47,490 --> 00:38:42,520
they appear as a feminine force they

705
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:47,500
have messages to convey they of peace

706
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:51,130
and love and sometimes warnings people's

707
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:54,310
not everyone will see the apparition as

708
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,010
a figure like with Dana Howard but

709
00:39:02,910 --> 00:39:00,160
they'll see a light or a light form or

710
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:02,920
some kind of energy or plasma type

711
00:39:10,799 --> 00:39:07,950
apparition people are emotionally moved

712
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:10,809
so obviously there's

713
00:39:16,649 --> 00:39:13,689
some communication something's going on

714
00:39:19,049 --> 00:39:16,659
there with some kind of energy and it's

715
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:19,059
just presenting itself in a certain way

716
00:39:25,169 --> 00:39:23,529
to us depending on the context of where

717
00:39:28,169 --> 00:39:25,179
they're at you know whether it's in the

718
00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:28,179
Catholic community or what-have-you

719
00:39:36,929 --> 00:39:33,400
oh yeah and orbs - you know we had a

720
00:39:38,459 --> 00:39:36,939
lady out here in Queens very Catholic a

721
00:39:39,870 --> 00:39:38,469
little bit over the top as far as I'm

722
00:39:41,909 --> 00:39:39,880
concerned but people would take

723
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:41,919
photographs of her in there be orbs

724
00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:43,089
there she didn't believe in you

725
00:39:46,019 --> 00:39:44,559
she thought I think if somebody asked

726
00:39:50,399 --> 00:39:46,029
her whatever about UFOs who she thought

727
00:39:52,380 --> 00:39:50,409
that they were demonic you know but also

728
00:39:54,329 --> 00:39:52,390
she had her big thing was the smell of

729
00:39:56,849 --> 00:39:54,339
roses and I think you had several

730
00:39:59,279 --> 00:39:56,859
occasions they even saw roses float down

731
00:40:01,159 --> 00:39:59,289
from above you know and there was nobody

732
00:40:08,449 --> 00:40:01,169
was throwing him or anything like that

733
00:40:13,259 --> 00:40:08,459
and that and in other Marian apparitions

734
00:40:17,069 --> 00:40:13,269
the smell of roses and that this is what

735
00:40:20,249 --> 00:40:17,079
I find interesting too is this crossover

736
00:40:23,459 --> 00:40:20,259
between one seemingly specific

737
00:40:25,729 --> 00:40:23,469
paranormal event and then crossing over

738
00:40:30,449 --> 00:40:25,739
into others because the smell of roses

739
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:30,459
will happen a lot with hot things for

740
00:40:35,130 --> 00:40:32,249
example and I've had that experience

741
00:40:39,209 --> 00:40:35,140
where there was nothing religious about

742
00:40:41,759 --> 00:40:39,219
it or there was no Marian apparition but

743
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:41,769
I would be in a haunted house for

744
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:45,130
example and suddenly a very strong scent

745
00:40:52,890 --> 00:40:50,079
of roses would come so again I think

746
00:40:55,529 --> 00:40:52,900
these things they might act

747
00:41:00,299 --> 00:40:55,539
independently on the surface but I think

748
00:41:01,799 --> 00:41:00,309
they're also connected in some way well

749
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:01,809
yeah I was just I was just going to say

750
00:41:08,219 --> 00:41:04,839
if Dana Howard had lived a hundred years

751
00:41:10,459 --> 00:41:08,229
earlier and you know lived another part

752
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:10,469
of the world how she may have

753
00:41:18,479 --> 00:41:15,900
interpreted her original experience yeah

754
00:41:21,689 --> 00:41:18,489
yeah well and the same thing with the

755
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:21,699
the Fatima children there there's a

756
00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:23,210
drawing

757
00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:29,720
how their lady looks from their first

758
00:41:34,329 --> 00:41:32,180
experience and the drawing looks nothing

759
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:34,339
like what you would think of as the you

760
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,490
know traditional Marian apparition this

761
00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:38,960
this figure looks almost more like

762
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:41,740
somebody you'd see in a movie from the

763
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:45,520
1960s you know there was a very famous

764
00:41:52,329 --> 00:41:48,650
rock guitarist by the name of Billy

765
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:52,339
Squier mm-hmm yeah what are two songs

766
00:41:57,820 --> 00:41:53,930
that they still play on a radio but he

767
00:42:00,370 --> 00:41:57,830
hasn't been performing for years and

768
00:42:02,740 --> 00:42:00,380
years and one of the reasons that he

769
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:02,750
hasn't performed he told me the story

770
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:07,910
one time that he saw a Marian phenomena

771
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,430
it was a lady in white but I believe

772
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:12,880
that she was in sight of some

773
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:17,720
transparent craft or something that came

774
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:21,950
down out of the out of the sky I would

775
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:24,710
refer you to my secret prophecies of

776
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:27,530
Fatima but because it's been a long time

777
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:29,930
since I did the interview and it's been

778
00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:32,030
a long time since I checked my notes on

779
00:42:38,579 --> 00:42:34,430
the subject but there were more people

780
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:40,960
visions I guess you would call it a

781
00:42:46,180 --> 00:42:44,780
vision more than any anything else and

782
00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:46,190
of course the other one that's very

783
00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:48,680
famous that the church is just getting

784
00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:50,180
around they haven't called it a miracle

785
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:53,270
yet would be the the one that's in but

786
00:43:01,240 --> 00:42:57,010
mad magic Gorka yeah where the yes I

787
00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:01,250
wrote something for UFO Digest About

788
00:43:10,450 --> 00:43:06,460
Mary as a trickster because the church

789
00:43:16,990 --> 00:43:10,460
will not call it a miracle yeah they

790
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:17,000
have come out and denounced this these

791
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:21,050
sightings saying how Barry wouldn't

792
00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:26,900
behave this way that their words and the

793
00:43:36,730 --> 00:43:33,950
actions and the appearances are not what

794
00:43:39,220 --> 00:43:36,740
we would typically expect from Mary

795
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:39,230
operations that got me to think yes

796
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:41,690
maybe this is a trickster figure maybe

797
00:43:49,330 --> 00:43:47,330
it's not marry at all and that kind of

798
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:49,340
ticked some people off and they let me

799
00:43:56,980 --> 00:43:54,650
know it went well good good for you good

800
00:44:01,090 --> 00:43:56,990
for you good for you though because I

801
00:44:04,930 --> 00:44:01,100
mean that's you know that your you know

802
00:44:08,430 --> 00:44:04,940
your your possible actually reaching

803
00:44:12,910 --> 00:44:08,440
something if you take a few people off

804
00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:12,920
something about that I can't remember

805
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:15,140
the details but kind of giving weird

806
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,330
messages to people that were harmful

807
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:22,400
allegedly you know and so I don't know

808
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:24,170
and then knowing the politics of the

809
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:27,230
church and the politics oh my god you

810
00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:29,570
know how much of that's all wrapped up

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together either inviting or invoking

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this kind of trickster energy in or the

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tricks this energy found it and said hey

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this is a good place you know so I just

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think it's even though these different

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paths we take a speculation may be weird

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I think it's important to go there that

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just see what happens yes well we don't

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get locked into it you know assumptions

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we didn't even get to talk about the

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Bigfoot that and I didn't wear clothes

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it we're closing in on the well back

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here in the East the eleven o'clock hour

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and yeah we want to give you the

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opportunity to tell our listeners both

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of kco our and our many of fans on our

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YouTube mr. UFO secret files have a can

828
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get in touch with you and what your

829
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current projects are well I'm working on

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something called it's just about orbs

831
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and the difference you know a lot of

832
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these swords I've had positive

833
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experiences with UFOs and I've had

834
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negative experiences

835
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and to not put a judgment on that so

836
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that's what I'm working on now and

837
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people if you just do I run a lot of

838
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blogs oh yes so you could just if you

839
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just do like Reagan Lee UFO a regularly

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Bigfoot that would be probably the best

841
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way because I have so many blogs or

842
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you've got the big it's a big orange

843
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blob of blocks or I'm on orange orb -

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two words on WordPress

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it's my blog one of the blocks and you

846
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can email me at orange orb at mail.com

847
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not Gmail mail calm so I nailed on

848
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you could you can find there if I if Tim

849
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and I were able to find if you'll be

850
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able to to find her and don't forget to

851
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pick up those books aliens stronghold

852
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would be the latest one and mysteries of

853
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Death Valley also - I believe she has

854
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some material in there and that's got a

855
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lot of channeling from George Van Tassel

856
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and good night one and all good night

857
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good night Helen good night Tina good

858
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night Tim now they're in Jasper Indiana

859
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you've been listening to exploring the

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bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky panty

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Swartz they're taking back the night by

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jetting non-stop across the cosmos in

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search of the truly bizarre and totally

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unexplained with you as their cold

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Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

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10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital

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for more information on exploring the

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Swartz check out their kco our digital

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